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C00002 00002	People who expressed an interest in RLL during AAAI demo, August 1980.
C00010 00003	New additions (after 3-Nov-80)
C00015 00004		Requests for Copies of RLL / MRS
C00017 00005	Date:  3 Sep 1980 1146-PDT Cjohnson RRL Oil-Spills code
C00021 00006	Mailed to RICK@RAND-AI, STEFIK@PARC, BALZER@USC-ISIE, STAN (ROSHENSCHEIN)@SRI-KL
C00023 00007		Commications with Steve Klein
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People who expressed an interest in RLL during AAAI demo, August 1980.

Scott Bleackley
Computing Science Program
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, British Columbia V5A 1S6

Adrian Walker
Bell Laboratories
600 Mountain Avenue
Murray Hill, New Jersey 07974

Walt Scacchi
ICS
Room 444 CS
Irvine, CA 92717

Gordon Novak, Jr.
Computer Science Department
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712
	[CSD.NOVAK@SCORE]

Dr. Henry J. Bowlden
Computer Sciences
Westinghouse R & D Center
1310 Beaulah Rd.
Pittsburgh, PA 15235

John H. Blackwood
School of Engineering (Computer Science)
California State University
6000 J Steet
Sacramento, CA 95819

Fumio Mizoguchi, Ph.D.
Department of Ind. Admin.
Tokyo University of Science
Noda 278, Chiba
Japan


Dr Sigekoto Kaihara
Department of Industrial Administration
Tokyo University of Science
Noda, Chiba 278
Japan
	[Kaihara@SUMEX]

Steven Hokanson
312 Fitzwater Street
Philadelphia, PA 19147

Peter Wang
P.O. Box 8897
Stanford, CA 94305

Rdoger Knaus
Graphics Software Branch
Systems Development Division
Bureau of the Census
Washington, D.C. 20233

Sandy Nado
CCS
University of Michigan
2076 rieze Bldg.
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109

Robet A. Nado
CCS
University of Michigan
2076 Frieze Bldg.
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109

Casey Quayle
1360 Scaife Hall
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
	[QUAYLE@SUMEX]

David Braunstein
General Electric Co.
Bldg. 500
Computer Graphics Software
Evendale, OH

Reed Letsinger
Heuristic Programming Project
Computer Science Department
Stanford University
	[CSD.LETSINGER@SCORE]

Alan Lemmon, W-709
Mitre Corporation
1820 Dolley Madison Blvd.
McLean, VA 22102

Robert C. Meacham
P.O. Box X, Bldg. 4500-N, MS255
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Oak Ridge, TN 37830

Scott Siegel
Rand D Associates
4640 Admiralty Way
Marina del Rey, CA

Mark B. Mueller
Bell Laboratories
Room 2B501
Crawford Corners Road
Holmdel, N.J. 07733
Peter Midford
Harvey Mudd College
Claremont, Ca 91711

Steve Greenberg
P.O. Box 262
Menlo Park, Ca 94025

Aaron Gordon
Dept. of Computer Sciences
University of Wisconsin
1210 W. Dayton
Madison, WI 53706

Milt Waxman
Hughes
13220-G Admiral Avenue
Marina del Rey, Ca 90291

Kirk Kandt 
Hughes Research Labs
3011 Malibu Canyon Road
Malibu, CA 90265
	[KANDT@USC-ECL]

Yoram Alperovitch
6271 Variel Avenue
Woodland Hills, CA 91307

Stephen Y. Itoga
3015 Kahaloa Drive
Honolulu, hawaii 96822

David Keirsey
Hughes Research Labs
3011 Malibu Canyon Road
Malibu, CA 90265
	[KEIRSEY@USC-ECL]

[Added to list ca 25 October 1980]

Brian Smith
c/o Terry Winograd
Xerox PARC
3333 Coyote Hill Road
Palo Alto, CA 9430?
	[BSMITH@BBNG]

Louis Steinberg
Dept. of Computer Science
Hill Center, Busch Campus
Rutgers University
New Brumswick, NJ 08903

Carroll Johnson
Chemistry Division
Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Post Offic Box X
Oak Ridge, TN 37830
	[CJOHNSON@SUMEX]

Rick Hayes-Roth
The RAND Corporation
1700 Main Street
Santa Monica, CA 90406
	[RICK@RAND-AI]

Dan Gorlin
The RAND Corporation
1700 Main Street
Santa Monica, CA 90406
	[GORLIN@RAND-AI]

Steve Klein
USC/Information Science Institute
4676 Admiralty Way
Marina del Rey, CA 90291
	[SKLEIN@ISIB]

Tom Pressburger
System Control Incorporated
1801 Page Mill
Palo Alto, CA 94304
	[PRESSBURGER@SCI]

Susan Angebranndt
System Control Incorporated
1801 Page Mill
Palo Alto, CA 94304
	[SUE@SCI]

	[New snail mail addresses, ca 31-Oct-80]

Bob Bechtel
Code 8242
Naval Ocean Systems Center
San Diego, CA  92152
	[RBECHTAL@BBNA]

Professor W.J. Minkowycz
Dr. A. Sharma
University of Illinois at Chicago Circle
College of Engineering
Box 4348
Chicago, Illinois  90980

Larry Hines
Computer Science Department
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712
	[ATP.HINES@UTEXAS-20]

Stan Rosenschein
SRI International
	[STAN@SRI-KL]
New additions (after 3-Nov-80)

Ron BRACHMAN
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA  02238
	[RBRACHMAN@BBND]

Carroll Johnson
	[CJOHNSON@SUMEX]

BALZER@ISIB, ALAN@ISIB, PLONDON@ISIB, ERMAN@ISIB

STT@SAIL
∂04-Nov-80  0543	RBRACHMAN at BBND 	RLL Mailing List

Russ,
Would you put me on the aforementioned mailing list?  Thanks,
Ron (RBrachman@BBND).

Mailed to RBRACHMAN@BBND 18:23 4-Nov-80
Done
Ron,

I've  added  you  on   the  list,  and  have   sent  you  the  two   prior
communications.  You'll note  I initiated both  of them -  this is NOT  by
design.  Please feel free to  break the ice, by contributing  suggestions,
advice, comments or whatever to this forum.

Also, let me  know if  you'd like  a copy of  either of  the RLL-1  memos.
"RLL-1:  A Representation Language  Language" (HPP-80-9) presents first  a
description of what (I think)  a representation language language is,  and
proceeds to overview  our particular implementation.   "Details of  RLL-1"
(HPP-80-23) is low  level specifics  ("the dirt", a  friend suggested)  of
this system, as it stands now.

	Russ

∂07-Nov-80  0738	Cjohnson@SUMEX-AIM 	RLL Bulletin Board  
Date:  7 Nov 1980 0728-PST
From: Cjohnson@SUMEX-AIM
Subject: RLL Bulletin Board
To:   RDG@SU-AI
cc:   CJohnson

Russ:
     Yes, please do add my name to the RLL mailing list.  I assume
the mode is computer mail and my SUMEX address is CJohnson,  
If US mail is also used my whois address is valid.

     I just received the RLL  extension document, Thanks
for sending it to me.
Best wishes
Carroll 
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∂07-Nov-80  1719	BALZER at USC-ISIB 	Re: RLL (Virtual) Bulletin Board   
Date:  7 Nov 1980 1719-PST
From: BALZER at USC-ISIB
Subject: Re: RLL (Virtual) Bulletin Board 
To:   RDG at SU-AI

In response to your message sent  21 Oct 1980 1728-PDT

RUSS,
PLEASE ADD ME,ALAN@ISIB(ALAN KAY),PLONDON@ISIB(PHIL LONDON), AND
ERMAN@ISIB(LEE ERMAN) TO THE RLL MAILING LIST.

THANKS,
BOB
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Mailed to LIS, STEINBERG@RUTGERS 15:5 21-Nov
Mail Address
Lou
	The RLL-1 memo I (snail) mailed to you at Rutgers just came back,
with an addressee unknown message.
Where exactly are you located?
Russ
∂24-Nov-80  0756	STEINBERG at RUTGERS 	Re: Mail Address  
Date: 24 Nov 1980 1057-EST
From: STEINBERG at RUTGERS
Subject: Re: Mail Address  
To: RDG at SU-AI, LIS at SU-AI
cc: STEINBERG at RUTGERS
In-Reply-To: Your message of 21-Nov-80 1834-EST

My address should be
Louis Steinberg
Dept. of Computer Science
Hill Center, Busch Campus
Rutgers University
New Brumswick, NJ 08903

But our campus mail system is very poor and stuff often gets lost or
misdirected.  If that was the address you used before, just try it again.
Thanks.  (And I'm sorry for the hassle - Rutgers administrative services
have some VERY major problems.)
		Lou
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	Requests for Copies of RLL / MRS

9 ->
Stan Rosenschein
RBRACHMAN@BBND

23 ->
Rick Hayes-Roth
RBRACHMAN@BBND
KANDT at USC-ECL

Dr. Alan V. Lemmon
The MITRE Corporation
MITRE C3 Divison
Washington C3 Operations
1820 Dolley Madison Boulevard
McLean, Virginia  22102

DBL&MRG's paper  ->
TTP

Primer for MRS ->
TTP

∂31-Oct-80  1804	RICK at RAND-AI 	Re: ∂20-Oct-80  1258	RDG  	RLL Bulletin Board   
Date: 31 Oct 1980 1225-PST
From: RICK at RAND-AI
Subject: Re: ∂20-Oct-80  1258	RDG  	RLL Bulletin Board   
To: RDG at SU-AI, henry at RAND-AI, gorlin at RAND-AI, klahr at RAND-AI,
To: wescourt at RAND-AI, "@RLL.DIS[RDG,DBL]" at SU-AI
In-Reply-To: Your message of 31-Oct-80 1128-PST

Russ:
	Please send me a copy of hpp-80-23.
thanks,  rick
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∂05-Nov-80  0548	RBRACHMAN at BBND 	Re: Done   

Sure, why don't you send them to me (10 Moulton Street, Cambridge,
MA  02238).  Thanks

∂05-Nov-80  1712	KANDT at USC-ECL 	HPP-80-23   
Date:  5 NOV 1980 1711-PST
From: KANDT at USC-ECL
Subject: HPP-80-23
To:   RDG at SAIL

Russ -- Please send me a copy of "The Details of RLL-1 (HPP-80-23)."
Thanks.

	Kirk Kandt
	Hughes Research Laboratories
	3011 Malibu Canyon Road
	Malibu, California 90265
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Date:  3 Sep 1980 1146-PDT Cjohnson RRL Oil-Spills code
To:   Lenat
cc:   Greiner, CJohnson

Doug,

     It was great seeing you again at the Expert Systems Workshop.
Is there  a possibility that the Spills code is in good enough
shape that I can play with it a little on SUMEX?  This would be
the ideal time for me to try understanding the RLL system.

Best wishes
Carroll
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Mailed to RICK@RAND-AI, STEFIK@PARC, BALZER@USC-ISIE, STAN (ROSHENSCHEIN)@SRI-KL
 17:08 21-Oct-80
KAIHARA@SUMEX, CJOHNSON@SUMEX on 18:09 4-November-80
RLL (Virtual) Bulletin Board
Carroll:
     There now exists a RLL  mailing list, intended for interested  people
to  share   their  views/apprehensions,   etc,   on  topics   related   to
representation language languages.  Would you like your name added to this
list?  If so, what address should we  use?  Is there anyone else you  know
who should be added?
	Russ

	Commications with Steve Klein
Mail-from: ARPANET site USC-ISIB rcvd at 14-Oct-80 1324-PDT
Date: 14 Oct 1980 1323-PDT
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Re: minor details...
To: CSD.GREINER at SU-SCORE
In-Reply-To: Your message of 13-Oct-80 1717-PDT

Hmm...replies 12 levels deep seem to lose the flavor of their contents.  wrt
manual 1 vs manual 2, we would like to attempt "hands-on" type experience--
have you set up some mechanism for this?  That is, distribution of the system
or use there or ?? (is this info included in your documentation?).  If not too
late, I'd like to request two sets of the manuals--I'm trying to shove things 
at several people...
Steve.
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Date: 14 Oct 1980 1547-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: minor details...
To: SKLEIN at USC-ISIB
cc: csd.greiner
In-Reply-To: Your message of 14-Oct-80 1323-PDT

RLL-1 is fairly close to being distributable.  I've not released it yet as it
is still strewn with bugs and inconsistencies.  There is also some legal hassles
to be resolved - forms to sign and the like.
In the long term, the MRS system, by Genesereth & Smith, will be the official
bona fide Representation Language Language -- Mike claims it will be available,
sans bells and whistles (i.e. lacking any useful facility) some time in the next
few weeks. RLL-1 will thenafter be encoded in this system, for compatability
and transportability.
	I'll try to get you two sets of the manuals. Ask again if you don't
get both sets.
	God bless, and too-da-loo,
Russ
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Mail-from: ARPANET site USC-ISIB rcvd at 22-Oct-80 1509-PDT
Date: 22 Oct 1980 1509-PDT
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
Subject: I see a ship on the horizon...
To: CSD⊗.Greiner at SU-SCORE

Hi.  Do you know which address got used for mailing the memos out?  Nothing
seems to have shown up here yet.
Steve.
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Date: 23 Oct 1980 2030-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: I see a ship on the horizon...
To: SKLEIN at USC-ISIB, CSD⊗.Greiner
In-Reply-To: Your message of 22-Oct-80 1509-PDT

Turns out only 25 memos have been sent out so far.  The rest (including,
apparently yours) will be sent soon (after the next batch come back from the
printer...)
	Russ
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Mail-from: ARPANET site USC-ISIB rcvd at 28-Oct-80 1307-PST
Date: 28 Oct 1980 1407-PST
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
Subject: paper snow
To: CSD⊗.Greiner at SU-SCORE

Hi.  Sorry for the bother, but the RLL-1 paper arrived yesterday, without
the "Details..." paper.  Could this be due to paper snarl/printing details,
or am I being over-anxious?
wit regardlets,
Steve.
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Mailed to SKLEIN@USC-ISIB 14:05 3-Nov
Tap tap tap <yawn> tap tap tap ...
Steve - have they arrived yet?  (By now they REALLY should have...)
Also, if its not too much bother, please send comments to RDG@SAIL.
Anything interesting happening there?
	Russ
∂04-Nov-80  1324	Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB> 	Re: Tap tap tap <yawn> tap tap tap ...   
Date:  4 Nov 1980 1320-PST
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
Subject: Re: Tap tap tap <yawn> tap tap tap ...
To: RDG at SU-AI
In-Reply-To: Your message of 3-Nov-80 1406-PST

greetzings.  I haven't seen the innards paper yet...murphy's  law or the US 
mail has achieved self-awareness and is practicing selectivity.  Everything
here is mostly mundane...I wonder what the secret is to getting more done in
less time  (if you find out, maybe we could bottle it).  If Reagan wins I might
move to New Zealand--have you considered what you will do?
A foobar cocktail in your general direction.
Steve.
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∂07-Nov-80  2114	Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB> 	pretty pictures 
Date:  7 Nov 1980 2114-PST
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
Subject: pretty pictures
To: RDG at SU-AI

Howdy...just a quick note:  I got the memos yesterday. Thankks.
Onwards.
Steve.
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∂05-Nov-80  1051	PRESSBURGER at SCI-ICS   
Date: Wednesday, 5 November 1980  10:50-PST
From: PRESSBURGER at SCI-ICS
To: rdg at su-ai

Date: Tuesday, 4 November 1980  15:29-PST
From: Steve Klein <SKLEIN at USC-ISIB>
To:   PRESSBURGER at SCI-ICS
Re:   delta

How does an elephant dance?  Music experiments from the point of an
expected sound or just manipulating the equipment...tape decks and loops
are notoriously limited in flexibility...the world needs some decent
computer based composition systems...sounds like a reasonable life/business/
phd thesis.  The notion of "knowing" what defines a proof, what a proof
entails, and the underlying knowledge that supports the notion of proof
seems one of the hairier issues I've seen in a while, although I seem to
recall that a major part of (some) philosophical garbage deals with this
in a very ad hoc manner...I haven't read any of Lenats new stuff, so can't
comment on its limitations.   Did you see any of the interviews with
"people on the street" last night?  Goddamn parrots...is everyone in the
world so stupid that they believe the stuff they see on TV?  If I hear one
more person say that "its time for a change" I'll amputate them at the knee.
I hope you kept your senses and didn't vote for Anderson.  The "video
revolution"  hopefully is the start of the downfall of our current way of
voting...when anyone can watch what goes on in congress there isn't as much
that you can get away with...not an exclusive club anymore.  Voting as
it now stands (pick one of 2/3/...) bears the same relation to expressing 
your opinion as X'ing a contract does to understanding it...ten years from
now we may see something different...unfortunately, the media stranglehold
may be even worse--the only bright spot is that current trends are away 
from centralized control.

There are some great cassette decks available for cheap now.  I bought my
parents a Technics one with solenoid controls, fluorescent peakreading meters,
less wow&flutter than my old Sony, metal tape capability, etc. for $260.
There are an amazing number of decks for $150-300 that are great (need to
use metal tape though to get around lower speed...not very cheap, although
compatible with reel-to-reel tape costs).  Sendust heads are reasonable, as
are ferrite...don't know that anyone has really pointed out real differences
in end recording quality...just have to stay away from normal permalloy heads.
45 minutes per side is still a problem, but I'd rather flip cassettes at that
rate than reels at ANY other rate.
Barry actually found that "treasure"--a copper plate under the Colorado St.
Bridge...got $100. from the place having the contest...really stupid set
of clues from an overall point of view (the idiot also made several mistakes).
Sandy is looking in earnest for a place to go back to school...police dept
really getting to her, however, I'm most likely going to stay around here for
the next year or two...interesting contest between too many options and not
wanting to do anything.   
Looks like both goodies I'm working on here may potentially end up in RLL/MRS.
Our hardware representation stuff is evolving into general VLSI design (I
think I mentioned that at some point previously)...most of the mechanisms
needed to do this are also common to all engineering design projects--
interesting to see what generalities could result...as I think I also mentioned
previously, one part of this looks just like a part of an automated
programming system or heuristic-based compiler...I'd like to get your 
opinions at some point on how you think the world should be organized.
The other stuff will probably be my masters thesis...a computational
framework for systemic grammars (the linguistic underpinnings of SHRDLU,
among other things, if you haven't seen anything on them). For the 
multi-paragraph English text generation stuff. End result will hopefully 
be nicely enough done that it can be turned on anything in the RLL system
(with appropriate concept-to-English expression mappings). Such grandiose
plans, sigh.
Steve.